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Has Keith Olbermann Sold Out?

Mon Nov 8, 2010 10:22 PM EST
politics, obama, republican, democrat, msnbc, fox-news, journalism, nbc, donations, keith-olbermann, rachel-maddow, suspension, countdown, sold-out
By Polka14

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I know the topic of Keith Olbermann's recent suspension has been a topic of discussion lately but as a loyal "Countdown" viewer for years, I feel that I need to discuss this at length. I have been watching "Countdown" for years now. I was watching during the Presidential elections of 2008. I was watching when Olbermann discussed his personal loss of his parents and I was watching when his special comment on the Citizens United decision was aired. I have been watching for a long time now but I have come to a conclusion that I may no longer watch his show.

I don't think that Keith Olbermann has necessarily changed in the previous week. No, I do not believe that but I am concerned that his integrity is not as strong as I had believed it was. It is fact that Olbermann violated his contract when he donated $2400 to various Democratic political candidates running for political office but notwithstanding such a violation, my own disappointment exists with the fact that someone like Keith Olbermann would commit an act that a man of integrity and honesty would not commit. Someone like Olbermann needs to be uncommitted to giving money to political figures because people in his position need to be neutral. In giving money to those Democrats, Olbermann lowered himself to the level of the republican propaganda channel known as "Fox News". Keith Olbermann has revealed countless times on his show how those corrupt people have influenced politics with their political donations. Mimicking those actions is something that I believed to be intolerable.

After all the talk over these donations, I am someone that is willing to forgive Olbermann for his unfortunate transgressions upon journalistic integrity but what happened next surprised even me. He demanded an apology. An apology for suspending him. This leads me to believe that the donations were not an honest mistake but something that Olbermann believed to be right. If that is true, then I am truly disappointed in Olbermann because I truly believe that his actions were wrong and void of redeemable merit. He may be a Democrat but he should be neutral as long as he holds his position on that show. It is his responsibility to remain neutral. At least I believe so.

So it would seem that Olbermann won and he will return tomorrow. Should I continue to watch his show? If you watch "Countdown", you may possibly agree with me that his actions were inexcusable so….what do you think?

Has Keith Olbermann sold out?

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ATTENDUM: I will NOT tolerate any attempts to derail this thread.
Any attempts will be deleted. Alright then. I will accept comments but I will not tolerate personal attacks or violations of the true CoH. I will not honor secret amendments or parts of the CoH. Furthermore any post deemed off-topic or inflammatory will be deleted at my discretion.

I understand that this is an important topic to me. What do you think? Will you continue to watch KO's show if you do regularly?

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 10:23 PM EST
Jason Burnham

I don't think he did. He put his money where his heart was.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 11:56 PM EST
Polka14

It would seem that your view is of the majority. I think he did sell out liberalism and neutrality in journalism. Do you think that donating to political candidates makes him no better then the Republican propaganda channel (Fox News) and their donating to the GOBP?

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:01 AM EST
Marshall James

dont think he sold out at all. he just did what every journalist does...he just got caught....that said when it first aired I knew it was a bs story and he wouldnt be on suspension long.

it was a good publicity stunt.

journalism still has not reached to its lowest point yet .....unfortunately.

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 3:08 AM EST
bondibox

Yeah he sold out. By going back to MSNBC.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:33 AM EST
eapeau

First of all, Keith Olbermann is not now, nor has he ever been a journalist (as far as I know.) He was a sports reporter, which is by nature biased, and then the host of a pundit show. Neither of these is journalism...the seeking out and fairly reporting of facts.

Evolution has developed this new creature that looks like a journalist, acts like a journalist, and sometimes sounds like a journalist, but it is not. In fact, they gather in flocks (What do you call a group of pundits?) and band together for protection and survival. None of them can be called journalist; you can usually distinguish pundits from journalist by their behavior--where the pundits band together, feeding on the scraps of the journalists, the journalists tend to leave the nest to search for news.

Not being a journalist, KO has not lost any of his integrity. To chastise KO for giving to a candidate would mean we would have to damn Faux News to hell for all they have done. Again, it's pundits verses journalists.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:42 AM EST
EDSCORPION

To Polka14: You seem very sincere in your comment. Even though I disagree with you, I respect you. But please note that the Supreme Court decision to allow Corporations to contribute forever changes the political equation. Thus the old rules no longer apply. What the Supreme Court did is change the rules in the middle of the game. We (Democrats/Liberals/Progressists) were caught off guard. We did not have enough time to come up with a political remedy. If nothing is done to correct or repeal this unfair law, the balance of power will always tilt toward Republicans. Unions contributions can never match contributions from big corporations. Until this law is repealed, it would be up to D/L/P like me and you to fill the gap, if that's even possible. So give Olbermann a break. I would have done the same thing if I had the means. The potentates at MSNBC must realize our dilemna and Olbermann's.
Don't you agree?

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:24 AM EST
Polka14

Don't you agree?

I agree that Olbermann needs to continue to urge people to donate but if he is known to contribute to democrats, then people will think that he paid people like Democratic senators to talk on his show. Do I think that he has paid people to talk on his show? No, but I think that others will and even the republican propaganda channel has attacked him for it even though they should have nothing to say on the issue of campaign donations.

And it is sad that the traitors in the Supreme Court ruled in favor of fascist control over our elections. The people simply can't win against corporations that can donate millions to their candidates of choice.

    #1.7 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:31 PM EST
    EDSCORPION

    Polk14, you said '...but if he is known to contribute to democrats, then people will think that he paid people like Democratic senators to talk on his show.'

    --------------
    Dear Polka14, you are setting bounderies that were valid before the Supreme Court rulings. What is a Democrat to do when the other party has the deeper pockets and also resorts to all kind of abuse, intimidation, falsehood etc? You are a true bleu Democrat and I respect that. But the way I look at it:
    --MSNBC is a liberal TV station and MUST espouse liberals view in the same manner FOX spewed its Conservative views. I am sure you agree.
    --Morning Joe was guilty of the same 'sin' but do I believe he paid his Republican hosts to appear on his show? Absolutely not. Politicians will jump at every opportunity to be on TV. That's the nature of the beast.
    --Now Keith's mistake was he did not to seek permission but his contribution to the candidates of his choice is now part of the norm. I applaud it. For years the anchors at Fox have been doing just that without impunity.
    This is 2010. We see on TV this year and last year the death of civility when the Tea Partyers were allowed to cross the line of decency and eventually they made a big difference in the recent election.
    So we Democrats/Liberals/Progressists are facing with 2 new antagonists: the Tea Partyers and political contributions from big Corporations.
    Now is not the time to set bounderies. Keith and Morning Joe and the other MSNBC anchors must continue contributing to the politicians of their choice providing they seek and receive permission from their boss(es).
    I try to convince you that Keit did not sell out. I hope I succeed.

      #1.8 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:39 PM EST
      Polka14

      For years the anchors at Fox have been doing just that without impunity.

      That is because Fox News is not a news organization. It is a propaganda channel. Anyway, what Olbermann did was a big mistake and he should have known that giving money to politicians with his status as a host on MSNBC is wrong. The top two reasons I think it is wrong is that Olbermann has compromised his neutrality and integrity and he has legitimized his critics' opinion of him as a shill for the Democratic party.

        #1.9 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:46 PM EST
        rls8r

        If you enjoy what Olbermann airs on his programs then I'd encourage you to keep watching. But - now watch with the understanding of what his (and other) shows really are.

        I agree with eapeau, above - neither the MSNBC, nor the Fox shows are 'news' as we would like to understand the term. The 'stars' of the shows are not journalists. Although I haven't kept track, my 'gut' feeling is that both the Fox and the MSNBC 'stars' spend an inordinate amount of their air time telling us how people on the 'other' side of the political spectrum are liars, stupid, or both. Very little time is actually spent giving us in-depth, neutral assessments of situations and issues likely to affect our lives - or even simply reporting on what is going on in an unbiased manner.

        I recall when folks like Douglas Edwards, Huntley & Brinkley, Walter Cronkite, and (Lord give me strength) even John Cameron Swayze brought us pretty much un-varnished news. When they wanted to give an opinion they carved out a portion of their broadcast and labeled it as such - in order to distinguish it from the real 'news' portions. You won't see this on either Fox or MSNBC, where there is no difference between 'news' and 'opinion'.

          #1.10 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:11 PM EST
          Rahlly

          Polka14

          It would seem that your view is of the majority. I think he did sell out liberalism and neutrality in journalism. Do you think that donating to political candidates makes him no better then the Republican propaganda channel (Fox News) and their donating to the GOBP?

          Polka, he's not a journalist nor has he ever considered himself a journalist. I understand that journalists have to be impartial but his show is basically his opinions and he invites people on his show to bolster or refute his opinions and to provide perspective. The fact that you think his op-ed show has reached the levels of journalism is a credit to himself. However, the journalistic integrity he has is self-imposed because he's not held to journalist standards. He fact checks because he doesn't like being wrong but real journalist fact check because it's their job to provide unbiased news. That's not KO's job. His job is sound off.

          Now he did an interview and during the interview the interviewee made several points that stuck in his mind, so later that night he donated to the campaign. He did not seek to hide his donations, he did not deny them, he did it publicly and never expected people not to know. Everyone knows he leans left. He's not unbiased, he never was. So how can donations to liberals when he is a known liberal and have an liberal op-ed show be a conflict of interest?

          We're still not sure he broke the rules knowingly or unknowingly. Last night on Countdown, he mentioned that he did not know of any such clause in his contract. He said his rep said there was no such clause, and nothing should happen to him. They didn't even tell him he was suspended until after he heard about it on the news. So, I don't know that he did break the rules of journalistic integrity since he's not a journalist. I would also say, if the rule exists, it's a pretty stupid rule to hold a commentator to considering their job is to be biased.

          As for being as bad as Fox. Has KO come on the air and told you to donate to anyone in particular? Has he told you that he will be hosting a fundraiser for someone? Has he told you that to save America to empty your bank account into a PAC? Has he shilled silver?

          In the end, your choice is yours.

          • 2 votes
          #1.11 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST
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          silvrhawkDeleted
          c2paul

          I think the tragedy here is that Keith O was not allowed to contribute small amounts of money to a few candidates, while the personalities at fox gave and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for right wingers.  Where is the fair and balanced in that?  The slap on the wrist by MSNBC seems totally uncalled for, since every citizen or giant corportation or foreign government can now secretly give billions of dollars to buy an election, according to our Supreme Court.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#3 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 11:43 PM EST
          Polka14

          I understand that it is not fair but I have always believed that Olbermann was above that. He needed to remain impartial when it came to actual political parties. In that sense, I believe that he sold out liberals more then he aided them. Do you watch KO's show? Will you continue to tomorrow? Do you think this problem is reason enough to not watch it anymore?

          • 1 vote
          #3.1 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 11:47 PM EST
          Rahlly

          Why, he never was impartial. What he was and still is, is factual. He supported what he said with facts and he apologized when he was wrong. We all knew he was a liberal and a far left one. I'll keep watching.

          • 1 vote
          #3.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:20 PM EST
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          Village Idiot-2299796

          This Is Your Issue:

          "his integrity is not as strong as I had believed it was..."

          Perhaps this is to say that Keith Olbermann is more human than you believed. I suspect that all of us are flawed more than any of us might care to admit. Who knows? Keith himself might be the first to admit this.

          That said, I believe that he is a man of conscience. Flawed conscience, but conscience none-the-less. Conscience is a curious thing. Through its leaders, our nation practiced systematic torture, a state that many deem unconscionable.

          Did he err? Yes.

          Is there anything inherently wrong with Keith's donations? No. The issue is that he perjured himself. Others err in things that, to my mind, are inherently wrong, such as torture -- a practice which we [rather] stupidly denied and justified at the same time. I understand the network's concern to avoid partizan relationships. And yet Keith's commentary is hardly non-partizan.

          In the end, Keith, and all of us, remain human -- questionable in integrity, fallible in judgements. And our institutions, government, media, corporations, institutions and all societies and groups of people, remain a reflection of what we are. Could it be that integrity lies in attaining to perfection less than it does in seeing our imperfection?

          Stop listening to Keith if you wish; but who can we find that is not bound by this human condition?

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 11:54 PM EST
          Polka14

          So you think it would be more fair to forgive Olbermann? I understand that people make mistakes but if the mistake was made due to a lack of judgment, then why would Olbermann demand an apology? He made the mistake, not his bosses.

          but who can we find that is not bound by this human condition

          I will think of what you said while I consider whether I will listen to Olbermann's excuses tomorrow or not.

          Thanks for the comment.

            #4.1 - Mon Nov 8, 2010 11:58 PM EST
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            K Dog

            Betcha he never demanded an apology to begin with. I just did a little hunt and we got pretty much the same story, repeated almost without deviation from blog to blog to blog. Each using each others blog as source. With the same picture even. LMAO

            At least Megan McCain wrote her own. :)

            • 1 vote
            Reply#5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:30 AM EST
            Polka14

            I heard he did but even if he didn't, the simple fact of donating to politicians is a sign that he sold out his integrity and neutrality as a journalist.

              #5.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:40 AM EST
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              lifeisgood43

              Keith did this just to show how Fox News deals with their people vs the way he was treated. I personally think that it was a setup to show how MSNBC is tough. He actually took one for the team. Rachel Maddow told us in a certain way that it was a setup. Keith and Rachel know the polices of MSNBC. Do you people really think that Keith didn't know what he was doing. Please okay. Get a clue

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:45 AM EST
              Polka14

              That is your opinion. Everyone knows that Fox Noise is a corrupt propaganda channel. If this was a stunt, it was unnecessary. It can only make Keith himself look bad. If this was not a stunt, then he sold out. He should not donate to politicians as a host on msnbc.

                #6.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST
                lifeisgood43

                Polka... the only people that looks at Keith bad are you and some other. If you think that Keith mistakenly did this, then you are wrong. Keith and Rachel planned this crap. So all of a sudden Keith Olberman decides to just up and do this. Wow you need to get a clue. Keith got the response that he wanted. Rachel did her part with her speech of how Fox News gets to do this and they shouldn't be label as news and the way MSNBC does their business. Keith took one to show people the difference between Fox News talking heads and MSNBC talking heads.

                • 1 vote
                #6.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:04 AM EST
                Polka14

                If this entire thing was fake, then they definitely sold out. Both Olbermann and Maddow. They are better then that. But I know that they did not need to do that. Their liberal base already knows that that propaganda channel is not a real news organization.

                  #6.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:10 AM EST
                  lifeisgood43

                  Polka... sold out to who. Who are you talking about. They did it to make a point. Think about it okay. Also who did it hurt.

                  • 2 votes
                  #6.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:20 AM EST
                  Polka14

                  How many times do I have to say it? KO sold out liberalism and his journalistic integrity. Giving money to politicians is wrong if the donor is a member of news organization or if the donor is a journalist because a professional news organization is meant to be neutral. There is no excuse. If Keith did so purposely, then he is wrong.

                  They did it to make a point.

                  What point? That they are as corrupt as fox "news", the organization they attack daily? Nice point.

                    #6.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:29 AM EST
                    edward j-1337034

                    K.O. breached his contract, knowingly, he was reprimanded, end of story. I don't question his journalist integrity in the least. He is a passionate man, and i believe he was incensed at the anonymous money flowing to republicans.

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:37 AM EST
                    lifeisgood43

                    edward... he did it for a reason. It makes no sense that as long as he has been on and at MSNBC that he doesn't know the policy of the company. This was planned between he and Rachel and some other to show how the Fox News deals with their people and how MSNBC deals with theirs. It was to show that Fox News is not a news station and to label them right. Also the way of paying for taxes too.

                      #6.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:41 AM EST
                      Polka14

                      KO should continue to expose them as the corrupt scum that they are, not join them. By lowering himself to their level, he has at least severely compromised his integrity as a journalist.

                        #6.8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:42 AM EST
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                        Village Idiot-2299796

                        Now, Now, Polka-dot…

                        Forgiveness is never a matter of fairness. If mistakes accrue from lack of judgment, from what does injudiciousness itself accrue? Saying ‘perjury,’ I state the issue accurately and non-prejudicially, without excusing or rationalizing the behavior. Why seek an apology -- poor judgment, perhaps?

                        The problem in your line of inquiry is not the assertion that Mr. Olbermann is flawed, but the unstated supposition (witting or not) that some might not be. Mr. Olbermann’s disease is universal to the human condition. Circumstances, occasion for testing, etc., are all that separate him from others. This is not justification. But it is a call for humility arising from recognition that we may all need forgiveness someday– not because it is fair, but because it is needed.

                        As an aside, did you know that Chris Hedges was interviewed yesterday on his work, ‘The Death of the Liberal Class?’ Some read, I'd guess!

                          Reply#7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:49 AM EST
                          tank59850

                          I see nothing wrong in what KO did.

                          As long as he reports the news fairly there is nothing wrong with him contributing to people who represent his personal views.

                          Same with Fox News, if they reported the news fairly(FAT CHANCE) it would be all right that they contributed to people who represent their views. The difference is that Fox News will do anything including lying to make the news fit their view.

                          I will continue to watch Countdown.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:28 AM EST
                          unquellable

                          No I do not think Olbermann is a sell out. We all know where he stands politically. I think this may have been a planned exercise that was designed to highlight how MSNBC is a responsible network and requires a nuetral stance as compared to how corrupt FOX News is. Everyone at FOX either campaigns or gives money to the repubs. Heck, Beck and his lame speech at the Lincoln Memorial, did nothing but give Palin a huge platform in which she attempted to politic about something nuetral in our country and the only thing she could talk about was the military and our beloved heroes. She has to drag all of the worn torn vets into her speeches and basque in their greatness because she lacks any greatness of her own. The repubs own FOX News, so I do not care if MSNBC publicly comes out and fights for the dems. We need to stand up to FOX News. They are complete hypocrites. Several months ago many at FOX were screaming for Sherrod's head, but when people started screaming for the heads of Beck, Hannity and O'Reilly they cried unfair. FOX is brainwashing many people and they appeal to the hate and anger genes that are in abundance throughout the country. Beck is not fit to report any news at all, even news for a JR. High school. O'Reilly is all about hate and stoking the hate fire. They confuse their idiotic audience with phrases such as "distribution of wealth" which is is equivalent to better paychecks for hardworking labor people, but FOX calls distribution of wealth "socialism" FOX news also calls social justice which is equal to freeing innocent people who have been wrongly locked up in prison as another "socialistic phrase"

                          The FOX audience is to stupid to realize that redistribution of wealth= bigger paychecks for working people and that social justice= justice in society and a battle against police, prison, prosecutor, and abuse that leads to the imprisonment of many innocent people in order to promote foul careers and grab power. I am all for a bigger paycheck(distribution of wealth) and freeing innocents who have been locked up(social justice) but FOX news reports these concepts as "socialism" when in fact the lacking of such concepts helps promote facism.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:09 AM EST
                          Better Careful

                          I watch Olbermann. I used to like him more. He's become too much like the people he ought to serve as a counter to. Now he has violated journalistic standards.

                          Either there are journalistic standards, or there are not. Granted, those who would gladly pervert journalism and democracy have a temporary edge in the marketplace of opinion, but abandoning standards to keep "down" with them is wrong. "Fox does it too, and does worse" is hollow.

                            Reply#10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:29 AM EST
                            bondibox

                            I appreciate your sentiment, and truly do believe that it's valid, to a point.

                            But this is what's known as "concern trolling."

                              Reply#11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:36 AM EST
                              Tom-VermillionOhio

                              With neo-con Fox doing what they've been doing, that is 'buying' the election and causing all this turmoil, what is a liberal progressive to do? Sometimes, the only way to fight corruption is with some corruption. Note that this what Keith did was very mild in comparison to the other side. What I am trying to say here is, if Fox and those unknown donors did not do what they did, I am quite certain that Keith would not have made those 'petty' donations. It should also be noted that Keith was discovered, he disclosed what he had done. Do he do an impulsive mistake? Perhaps. But we as progressives need his voice. The survival of our Democracy depends on it. The neo-cons are afraid of him, and in this volatile polical environment, that's a good thing so long as Keith opinionates off of verifiable facts and NOT conjectures. Polka, stay with him. Hope my comment helps.

                                Reply#12 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:16 AM EST
                                obie-one

                                Being that it is a given that Keith Olberman is educated it must be assumed that he full well knew what he was doing, in this I have to believe that there is more to the story than the eye meets. If he followed his heart or if he made an educated manuever neither leads me to be able to believe that he is a sell out. One of the problems with allowing Fox News to operate the way they do in their underhanded unethical ways is that at some point it will become contagious, it has and is just a normal evolution of the situation. What needs to be done is for a fair playing field to be created and the Right is not going to allow that with having the upper hand, so now it leads us to an " anything goes" atmosphere just as the past political campaign had become. We the sheeple are responsible for all of this by not setting higher standards, by listening to people of no character and I don't see where any of us have earned the right to point fingers. If both sides won't meet in the middle to make things right then we who are stuck in the middle need to realize that there are going to be far worse consequences to worry about other than what Keith Olberman is doing .

                                When we find ourselves amidst an economic melt down and the best we can get for a response from half of those in leadership is to concentrate on the destruction of the Presidency, the rest is small potatoes. What don't we get about this? It's besides insane suicidal and we are walking along quietly following as if we are all blind, worrying about things that have no place in what is needed to be done to right the ship; for as usual we are allowing ourselves to become distracted from what the real problems are. Perhaps Keith Olberman is just fed up, and I don't blame him one bit..............

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#13 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 7:12 AM EST
                                Polka14

                                I am surprised by the poll results. It would seem that most people disagree that Olbermann sold out his audience, his integrity, his beliefs, liberalism and America. It would appear that most people are not surprised at his actions or possibly expected this kind of behavior. I continue to think that acting like the Republican propaganda channel only legitimizes their tactics of working directly for political organizations after he has attacked their tactics for years. I would like to see what Olbermann himself has to say about this today but I would like to know if he will explain his actions as the right course of action or not.

                                  Reply#14 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 10:45 AM EST
                                  Jeff Midwest

                                  This issue is very simple.

                                  You watch MSNBC, and Olbermann, because you are a liberal. I watch the Great Fox News, because I am a Conservative.

                                  You have been living under the naive opinion that YOUR side is somehow BETTER than the other side (more integrity, more neutrality, etc.). You have just been proven wrong. So, change your opinion. Very simple.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#15 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:13 PM EST
                                  Polka14

                                  It is not my problem that you watch the Republican propaganda channel and accept their daily falsehoods. I know that Olbermann and MSNBC is above petty partisanship like donating money to politicians and that is why I have been upset enough to call Olbermann a sellout.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #15.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:19 PM EST
                                  Polka14

                                  It is not my problem that you watch the Republican propaganda channel and accept their daily falsehoods. I know that Olbermann and MSNBC is above petty partisanship like donating money to politicians and that is why I have been upset enough to call Olbermann a sellout.

                                    #15.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:19 PM EST
                                    tank59850

                                    It's not a problem in my eyes. Olberman didn't lie about death panels--he didn't lie about President Obama not being a citizen. He didn't lie about the cost of Obama's trip to India and Indonesia. He didn't lie about O'bama being a Muslim. Fox News did. So I don't think Olberman sold anyone out by contributing his own money to politicians who represent his views.

                                    Keith Olberman is not a journalist he is a news commentator---he gives his view of the news--- and as long as he reports the news that he comments on truly---then how is he selling anyone out.

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                                    #15.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 8:16 PM EST
                                    Village Idiot-2299796

                                    In What Conceivable World Could Faux Coups Be 'Conservative?'

                                    Conservatism isn't what it used to be...

                                      #15.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:24 PM EST
                                      EDSCORPION

                                      I sincerely wish that we Democrats / Liberals / Progessists have a unique forum where we can discuss Democratic topics without Republicans putting their 2 cents. We don't need Republicans to tell us anything about us Democrats. They will never undestand us as I will never understand them and their Tea Partyers. We are poles apart. So you Republicans, stop polluting this forum with your non-sense.
                                      I know this is free speech. This is America. You have the right to remain stupid. You also have the right to remain silent. The comments of most Republicans are utter stupidity. They should exercise their rights to remain silent. This forum is not for them.

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                                      #15.5 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:51 AM EST
                                      Jeff Midwest

                                      I guess you just have to look elsewhere for that socialist lefty liberal heaven!

                                      I also believe that liberals have the right to remain stupid, and immature. As a GOOD American, it is my duty to fight to the death, if necessary, to protect your right to be wrong....and I take my duty seriouslay. I'm a REAL AMERICAN....a Conservative American!

                                        #15.6 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:35 PM EST
                                        Jeff Midwest

                                        I know that Olbermann and MSNBC is above petty partisanship like donating money to politicians

                                        Yeah. Like I said, you were wrong. So, change your opinion. MSNBC is no better and no worse. Deal with it.

                                          #15.7 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:59 PM EST
                                          Polka14

                                          Conservative Americans should not call themselves "real Americans". They are the people that would diminish American rights to increase the power of Corporations.

                                          MSNBC is no better and no worse.

                                          MSNBC is an actual news organization, not like Fox Noise, a propaganda channel.

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                                          #15.8 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:22 PM EST
                                          Jeff Midwest

                                          Conservatives fight to PROTECT the rights of Americans. Liberals would push this country toward Socialism, where NOONE has rights. The Corporations need to be protected because they are the EMPLOYERS. Liberals would have us all slavishly working for the Socialist Central Government....or not work at all.

                                          Olbermann proved, once and for all, that MSNBC is no better, and no worse, that Fox News. I have told you, a couple times, that your opinion has been proven wrong and you need to change it.

                                            #15.9 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST
                                            Polka14

                                            Well, you're wrong. Corporations are forces of evil in this world and they own Republicans. They are dragging this world closer to fascism.

                                            Olbermann made a big mistake but he is a neutral and professional host on MSNBC and he is not like Fox Noise, the Republican Fascist Propaganda Channel.

                                              #15.10 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:00 PM EST
                                              Jeff Midwest

                                              Well, you're wrong. Corporations are forces of evil in this world and they own Republicans.

                                              Your outlook is self-defeatist. If you eliminate Corporations, who will provide the jobs? Do you envision the Federal Government providing jobs for everybody?

                                                #15.11 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:52 AM EST
                                                Polka14

                                                The contest between socialism and corporatism is interesting but not relevant to KO selling out. You have given me your opinion on the subject and I disagree. If KO was like the people on Fox Noise, I would not care if he gave money to Democrats or not.

                                                  #15.12 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:32 AM EST
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